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Is the federal pioneer be124-48 really tht bad?

FlipFlopDude

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So, my bro needed his electrical panel replaced in his house, it's an old house. He happened to get this federal pioneer be124-48 panel for free. OK, I know that this panel isn't the best and that it can be a fire hazard. I told him about all this, but he just couldn't afford anything else. His old panel was falling apart, so we had to do something.

I put in the newish FPE panel, cleaned up some really messy wiring while I was at it, and made sure everything was tight and secure. The breakers looked like the newer kind, and everything fit right. But I still worry bcs of the panel lol. Can someone tell me here, am I messed up big time or I shouldn't have to worry this much. Has anyone here ever used federal pioneer be124-48?
 
So, my bro needed his electrical panel replaced in his house, it's an old house. He happened to get this federal pioneer be124-48 panel for free. OK, I know that this panel isn't the best and that it can be a fire hazard. I told him about all this, but he just couldn't afford anything else. His old panel was falling apart, so we had to do something.

I put in the newish FPE panel, cleaned up some really messy wiring while I was at it, and made sure everything was tight and secure. The breakers looked like the newer kind, and everything fit right. But I still worry bcs of the panel lol. Can someone tell me here, am I messed up big time or I shouldn't have to worry this much. Has anyone here ever used federal pioneer be124-48?
alright so you got a 5 ton ac and now you're wondering how big the return duct needs to be well let's do some quick math before your ac starts wheezing like an old man running a marathon. typically, you need around 400 cfm per ton, so for 5 tons, that's about 2000 cfm. now, if we're talking rectangular ducts, you're probably looking at something like 20x25 inches or 18x30, but before you go cutting holes in your house, check the static pressure and make sure your blower can handle it. otherwise, you'll end up with an ac that's more of a decorative piece than a functional one.
 
So, my bro needed his electrical panel replaced in his house, it's an old house. He happened to get this federal pioneer be124-48 panel for free. OK, I know that this panel isn't the best and that it can be a fire hazard. I told him about all this, but he just couldn't afford anything else. His old panel was falling apart, so we had to do something.

I put in the newish FPE panel, cleaned up some really messy wiring while I was at it, and made sure everything was tight and secure. The breakers looked like the newer kind, and everything fit right. But I still worry bcs of the panel lol. Can someone tell me here, am I messed up big time or I shouldn't have to worry this much. Has anyone here ever used federal pioneer be124-48?
Keep an eye on it and arrange a swap when you can, I've been there myself, sometimes you just have to make it work. You're not messed up, you did what you could with what was available. However, FPE panels like that have a known trip failure issue, even cleaned up, it's still a risk
 
FPE panels, pioneer or not have a bad track record, even with newer breakers. If it was the only option, fine, but keep an eye on it and push for a proper replacement when money allows, def not something Id trust long term
 
I very much appreciate that your brother had to work in a budget. But, I agree with the others to consider replacing that system as soon as he can. This is not a "lose sleep emergency" but is a valid concern.

When you or he replaces, be certain to obtain a homeowner's permit and have inspection(s). This will ensure his insurance company does not balk at payment if anything goes wrong later. (And, the second set of eyes on the job is always welcome!)

Very Important Consideration-
I don't like to add more concerns, but many property insurance companies will not cover damages if a Federal Pacific load center is in the building. This applies even to downstream problems. Check with your instance company to ensure that your coverage is still valid.

Some cities, mine included, prohibit Federal Pacific load centers, panelboards or switch-gear. No grandfather clause applies. They find it- it's locked out and red tagged.


Tripping On Time? Not Always-
As WireWispered mentioned, their trip record is poor. The shelf in the parts department at work with FPE breakers had a sign: "FPE- Where a 20 is as good as a 50".


Replacement Breakers-
And, replacements are hard to find. One company of which I'm aware, UBIF, makes aftermarket replacements (if they still do) & they are expensive. If your brother needs a replacement breaker later, search Electrical Advertiser for ads. Salinger Electric in Troy, Michigan usually is well stocked with FPE and will mail. 248-585-8330

No GFCI or AFCI breakers are available for FPE Stab-Lok (as of my last check).

If the service conductors are aluminum be Absolutely Certain that anti-oxidation paste was used. FPE lugs can't handle aluminum without it- despite labeling. They get very, very loose, then hot.


On The Happy Side-
If the load center has copper bus bars, your concerns are fewer.
Where I worked, there were well over 100 Stab-Lok panels, each 200 amp 3-phase with mostly 20 to 40 amp loads. We were constantly replacing the aluminum bus load centers due to fire, but very rarely a copper bus unit.

And...
The cabinets are robust. Of all the fires that we had, none left the enclosure. (made a melted mess out of the conductors, but no escaped flames.)
If it's on a combustable wall, consider loosening the screws and putting spacers between the back of the tub and the wall for an air gap.


Low Priced Replacement Load Centers-
A very good place to shop for inexpensive replacement load centers is Habitat For Humanity stores. I've noticed many in the local stores when dropping off donations.

Failing that, try a place such as Salinger that I mentioned earlier. They may have a used load center with breakers in a more reliable brand for little money. (All they sell is tested by qualified people.) 248-585-8330.

Hope This Gives Some Wisdom-Of-Experience For You Guys To Consider (plus that good advice of others above)
Paul
PS: Oddly Federal Pacific transformers are excellent. We had dozens & dozens of 300 - 500 Kva, 480-Delta x 120/208-Wye and none failed after 36 years in service.
 
So, my bro needed his electrical panel replaced in his house, it's an old house. He happened to get this federal pioneer be124-48 panel for free. OK, I know that this panel isn't the best and that it can be a fire hazard. I told him about all this, but he just couldn't afford anything else. His old panel was falling apart, so we had to do something.

I put in the newish FPE panel, cleaned up some really messy wiring while I was at it, and made sure everything was tight and secure. The breakers looked like the newer kind, and everything fit right. But I still worry bcs of the panel lol. Can someone tell me here, am I messed up big time or I shouldn't have to worry this much. Has anyone here ever used federal pioneer be124-48?
Honestly, if it's in decent shape and breakers are newer, it's not the worst thing in the world short term. But yeah, I'd still sleep better knowing it'll get swapped when budget allows.
 
You're not totally messed up, @FlipFlopDude. To me it's just you did what you had to with what you had. That said, FPE panels do have a sketchy rep, so keep an eye on it and plan ahead for a proper upgrade.
 
@FlipFlopDude yeah, I think your worry is completely justified, though. These Federal Pioneer panels are a known fire hazard because the breakers can fail to trip when they should.
Okay, you've done a lot to improve the situation by cleaning up the wiring, but the best thing you can do is start getting quotes for a full panel replacement. That's the only way to truly solve the problem and give you and your brother peace of mind.
 
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